10 July - Ordinary

I'll hand over to Mr Mithsford for the introduction.

Thanks, Madam Mayor. Just before I get started, I'd just like to introduce Judy Clark, who's the Acting Director of City Planning, who's here at the meeting tonight, so just in case you haven't met her before. I would like to begin by acknowledging the traditional custodians of the land, the Dharug people, the Elders past, present. Members of the public attending the meeting are advised that in the event of an emergency, you will be asked to proceed in an orderly manner to the nearest exit following the guidance of Council's Warden. I would also like to advise members of the public that in accordance with Clause 6.3.1 of the Code of Meeting Practice, meeting of the Council are recorded. In terms of the Privacy and Personal Information Protection Act, this may involve the recording of personal information provided at the time of the meeting.

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Thank you, Mr Mithsford. Apologies. Expecting Councillor Rasmussen will be running late. Councillor Tree not coming. An apology from Councillor Tree. Someone to move that. Moved Councillor Kotlash, seconded Councillor Richards. All those in favour? The motion is carried. Any declarations of interest?

Councillor Wheeler. Item 166, pecuniary interest. Thank you, Councillor Wheeler. Councillor Richards. Item 159, pecuniary interest. 159. Thank you. Read those on at the time. Someone to move the minutes from the last meeting. Moved Councillor Conolly, seconded Councillor Garrow. All those in favour? The motion is carried. We do have one speaker listed, but I don't see him here. Does anyone know if Mr Ryan is coming to speak on item 165?

Mr Ryan from the Town ... ... Association.

I don't see him, so I might get to move the items en bloc. Moved Councillor Conolly, seconded Councillor Garrow. All those in favour? The motion is carried. We'll go back and we'll begin with item 159, given that we only had one speaker.

Speaker, and that speaker is not here, so we'll commence with item 159, which is the planning matter.

Councillor Richards, read your interest

Thank you. Thank you. I have a pecuniary interest, family resides next door.

Thank you. We'll call you back in.

So we'll commence with item 159.

If anybody would like to move something? Councillor Wheeler. I'll move that. Moved. Seconder, Councillor Connelly. Discussion? Councillor

Wheeler. I just want to get some clarification to start with that there've been no objections to the lifting of the covenant on this property. I understand that the covenant, that the function of the covenant is to preserve the view for the neighbours, and it appears that the applicant has worked out a way of building on the block without affecting the view. Is that correct, and is it correct that there are no objections from the affected neighbours? Mrs. Clark.

Through you, Madam Mayor, we wrote specifically to the neighbours, and they have given us letters of no objection

Thank you. In which case I'm happy with that. My only other question, and it again relates to the covenant: if we lift the covenant on this property, does that set any precedent for any other properties in that vicinity? Mrs.

Clark. Through you, Madam Chair, this is a very specific covenant that came out of a historical situation with a DA. It was imposed specifically because at the time of that DA, when the subdivision was done, so it's not a covenant that's common on any other lots; quite unique, really.

Thank you. In which case I'm happy and I have no further discussion.

Thank you, Councillor Wheeler. Further discussion? No further discussion. Right of reply, Councillor Wheeler. Not necessary. It's a planning item. We'll vote with our buttons. Councillor Richards, Councillor Tree, Councillor Rasmussen not here. Where's his button? There. We haven't done this for a while, so you might be out of practice. We'll vote on the count of three. One, two, three.

For the motion: Councillor Ross, Councillor Garrow, Councillor Reynolds, Councillor Wheeler, Councillor Calvert, Councillor Kotlash, Councillor Zamprogno, Councillor Conolly, Councillor Lyons-Buckett, Councillor Rasmussen, Tree and Richards were absent from the chamber. The motion is carried. Thank you. Thank you, Mrs. Clark. Our next item for discussion— yes, Councillor Richards back in. Our next item for discussion...

Motion is item 165. Mr Ryan hasn't turned up, so Councillor Reynolds. Yes,

Thank you, Madam Mayor.

You move and I'll require a seconder for that. Seconded, Councillor Wheeler, thank you. Discussion, Councillor Reynolds.

Thank you, Madam Mayor. Back in January this year, in response to, I think, the shock that a lot of us felt in relation to the amount of cost shifting which we hadn't been aware of, or previous councillors may have been, but we weren't, I proposed a notice of motion, and it was resolved by Council to put a notice explaining cost shifting in the rates notices for 2018/2019. It's become apparent that a simple paragraph in a rates notice won't be enough to explain what is and can be a complex issue, and I don't feel that it's the job of staff receiving phone calls from ratepayers asking questions about cost shifting to explain it. I think that's our job. I think that we've done a pretty good job in the last six months making the community aware of cost shifting.

It was raised at a number of our community meetings, and I know that some of the community members are taking it up with the government themselves. So it's basically, the rescission motion is to save council staff time and money, basically. Again, it's not their job to prosecute this with the government. It's our job, and that's why I seek support for the rescission motion. Thank you.

Thank you, Councillor Reynolds. Further discussion? Councillor Conolly.

Thanks, Madam Mayor. Whilst I have no problem with the motion and will support it, I think this is a sensible decision, I do feel that there's a bit of a problem with the motion in that there's a fairly obvious conflict of interest. If you've got a state Labor candidate moving motions on whether or not Council should have messages on its rate notices about the New South Wales state government, of which he's contesting against the incumbent government, I think there's a problem. And I think we could—maybe he didn't know on the 30th of January that he was going to be the candidate or that he was going to be a Labor Party member again. I don't know. But I think that now we can't have further motions on state government matters from the Labor candidate, as if there is no other personal interest in the matter.

Because clearly, and I'm not saying that there's anything untoward, but very clearly there is another interest here. There's the Council's interest and then there's Councillor Reynolds' interest as the state Labor candidate. I don't think it's appropriate that he moves motions deciding whether or not Council should be lobbying against a particular policy of the state government.

Thank you, Councillor Conolly. And of course, conflict of interest have a process if you are alleging one, as you would know. Further discussion?

Councillor Wheeler. Thanks, Madam Mayor. I think this is a sensible way forward. It does nothing to get around the fact that there is significant cost shifting, actually from both levels of government, and not just in these areas that are laid out. I mean, one of the areas that I think that Council is becoming increasingly responsible for that isn't detailed in the background to this, well perhaps possibly in the Community and Human Services area, is— is the problems around homelessness, which should be a state government responsibility and a federal government responsibility, and neither of them are being catered to. And increasingly council is working out what needs to be done, putting forward recommendations of what should be done, and trying to assist volunteer organisations in getting things done.

So again, it's one of those hidden costs that isn't detailed anywhere, and that just seems to float around and end up with us because we're the closest to the people. So cost shifting isn't going away. I think we've seen increasing cost shifting in the latest budget, but the issue with this appears to be how we present this to rate payers. And I think it's probably sensible to say that it's a bit difficult to get this message across in an already crowded rates notice, particularly at this point in time where I think staff will be feeling pressure from people who experience a rate rise. And so council will be getting increasing calls if there's something muddying the waters on the rates notice.

I think that's going to make it quite difficult for our frontline staff, and we need to keep that in mind. The community are aware that this is an issue, and we saw increasing questions at the community consultation meetings around the impacts of cost shifting. So I think we've got the message across to a degree. I think we can still do more, but I don't think the rates notice is, given the magnitude or the size of the information that we have to present, I don't think that the rates notice is perhaps the best way forward. It's not simple like saying— Like making a statement about a carbon tax, for example. I'm not quite sure how Councillor Reynolds, and he's quite capable of speaking for himself, but I'm not sure how his interests are in conflict, though.

This is clearly something currently foisted on us by the state government that makes council's life more difficult and makes things more expensive for our ratepayers, and I don't think that that poses any conflict of interest for anyone , regardless of their level of government.

Thank you, Councillor Wheeler. Councillor Sam Ferrania.

Thank you, Madam Mayor. Councillor Richards and myself recently had the privilege of attending the Australian Assembly of Local Government down in Canberra, and this was an issue that was raised repeatedly in that forum. And one of the statistics that we were shown was that federal assistance grants had dropped from one cent in the dollar of federal taxation revenue in about 1996 and has now been degraded to about 0.55 cents. So we've gone from one to 0.55 cents in the dollar, and that is clearly an unsustainable position. But it's also structural and endemic, and we are not alone. So I am well aware of this issue of cost shifting. Councillor Reynolds' credibility, I suppose, in expressing any opinion on this, I suppose, is directly proportional to his ability as a candidate for a party aspiring to government in this state to make or channel some policy on behalf of the state government to restore funding to the levels where it should be.

I am not aware of any policy of the state Labor Party to restore funding to local government to the levels that were seen in the past. In the meantime, I agree that this is a complex issue and that anything that we say via a rates notice is likely to be unheeded.

Thank you, Councillor Reynolds. Councillor Richards. Thank you, Madam Mayor. I will— Sorry. Sorry? Continue. I'm sorry, no, I just called Councillor Zamprogno, Councillor Reynolds, sorry.

Freudian slip, Madam Mayor.

Okay. Councillor Richards, sorry. Thank you very much. I will be supporting this notice of motion tonight because it absolutely makes sense. The insertion of the words through the motion in January certainly seemed a little bit tit for tat, based on what had happened before. So I think this is a sensible rescission motion and a sensible way forward. There's going to be a lot of confusion and ambiguity within the community when these rates notices do get sent out in the coming weeks with the 9.5% increase that's coming up this year as part of the SRV. And I think that there is going to be many questions asked by many residents about what's actually going on. And I think if you throw a term like cost shifting onto a rates notice, people are going to have no idea what's going on.

And to say that the community is becoming more and more aware of it, I don't think that's true. I think that if you went out and asked anyone on the street, What does cost shifting mean? they would probably have no idea. So I don't think that that message has got out there, but I absolutely agree this isn't the way forward. And as with my other colleagues, Councillor Conolly and Councillor Zamprogno, I certainly believe, while it's an individual's call to place a conflict of interest on the record, I certainly believe moving forward that the independent councillor, now state Labor candidate, does have a conflict of interest in this one. Again, that's just— and I do believe that the reason for that is you are a candidate running for state government, and if the Labor Party gets elected to state government in March, then you are forming part of a new state government.

Therefore, this cost shifting— Seriously, every single time he has to call out to me from the gallery. I'm honest, please, Madam Mayor, I'm going to tell you, please. I didn't— I'm sorry, Councillor Richards, I didn't hear. Every time, no matter what. I didn't hear anything. Unbelievable. So the way I would like to move forward is that Councillor Reynolds certainly has an issue with cost shifting and has discussed it in the chamber multiple times. And what I look forward to when the issue is broached again by Councillor Reynolds is actually hearing what his policy is going to be moving forward as the Labor candidate, and what the Labor government, should they win the election in March, is actually going to do to fix it.

Thank you. Thank you, Councillor Richards. Further

Discussion?

No further discussion. I'd just like to say, we really don't want to see this chamber move into a state government back and forth. I think accusing people of conflicts of interest isn't the correct way that we do it. There's a policy that people are to follow. If it's a connection to the state government, we don't say that Councillor Conolly's father is a state MP. So I don't think people come forward and say these sorts of things, and I don't know that it's necessarily fair to single someone out. Councillor Reynolds moved this motion in January. There's no, I don't think it's in the campaign period of the state government, and I just think that we need to be very wary of going down that path of throwing accusations back and forward in that regard. Can

I just clarify something, Madam Mayor? It wasn't my— I apologise if that was how it seemed. It's not my intention to throw an accusation. I'm just aware that the code of conduct investigation can be quite expensive and unnecessary, and if there's an opportunity to raise an issue and have it addressed right here without that investigation, I think it's better.

Thank you, Councillor Conolly. Right of reply, Councillor Reynolds.

Yeah, thanks, Madam Mayor, and I thank the councillors for their input and support for this rescission motion. I thank Councillor Conolly for raising the conflict of interest, and I encourage him to pursue it officially, because it would be interesting, given that previous mayors and deputy mayors while in this chamber have been candidates for the New South Wales State Parliament at the same time, including Councillor Conolly's father when he was a councillor here on more than one occasion, Mr Bassett on more than one occasion, and of course Councillor Williams on more than one occasion, I believe. So for it to raise its head now I think is interesting, but I think it would be good to have a determination, and I encourage— Councillor Conolly and his colleagues to pursue that so we can just get that nice and clear.

Regarding the request for Labor Party policy, in 2015 the government initiated a parliamentary inquiry into local government, and one of the findings, one of the recommendations of that inquiry was that every year the New South Wales budget have a paper dedicated to funding for councils, local government, to overcome the issue of cost shifting. Labor Party policy is to pick up that recommendation so that if and when there's a Labor Party government, there will be a dedicated budget paper dealing with council funding, which there isn't at the moment, and so there'll be no cost shifting from the New South Wales government anymore.

Thank you

Councillor Reynolds. I'll put your motion. All those in favour?

Against? The motion is carried. Our next item is item 166.

Thanks, Councillor Wheeler. Thanks, Madam Mayor. I have a pecuniary interest. My husband is employed in Council's library. Thank you, Councillor Wheeler.

Thanks, Madam Mayor. I move— Okay

Seconded. Moved Councillor Reynolds, seconded Councillor Garrow.

Madam Mayor, I've requested staff make some changes to the notice of motion in that point 2 is changed and some extra points added. I'm

Not sure if they've got it ready yet.

While that's being sorted out, councillors might be aware that yesterday we received an email regarding library funding from

Local government

New South Wales in relation to New South Wales Public Libraries Association and their advocacy for additional funds. I'll quickly try and find it. It raised a number of good points, and so there we have the new point 2, 3, 4 and 5 and 6. So point 1 stays as it is in the business paper.

Point 2's changed. Point

I'll just give a bit of time for people to read that.

Where's 2 gone?

They no longer exist. They're 3, 4, 5 , yeah , and 6, I think.

I'll find that email.

Red pen.

Point three. Alerting. There's a couple of commas out of place there.

What's with me?

Okay. I think it should be alerting.

That's taken from the email yesterday. Okay, so I think it's important that we support the urgent action from New South Wales local government sector and the New South Wales Public Libraries Association, and LG New South Wales, to reverse the ongoing deterioration of state funding for public libraries. This is not a partisan thing. It's not a dig at this current government. It's happened under governments of both colours since the early 80s. I do have some numbers here, and they're quite scary. Well, the first thing is that the New South Wales public libraries are governed by the Library Act of 1939, which is a legislative instrument that was initially introduced to ensure the provision and ongoing sustainability of libraries through state government and local government collaboration, and providing up to 50% of the funding required to establish and operate libraries.

Since then, local government has increasingly carried the financial burden, with the situation deteriorating significantly since the 1980s. And as a result, there are examples of attrition in library staffing, opening hours, collections, services, programs in a number of councils across the state. It's disappointing that we've had another 5% cut to current library funding and to infrastructure for libraries across the metropolitan areas. The state government has completely ignored the recommendation of its own expert panel, the Library Council of New South Wales, which, in consultation with the State Library of New South Wales and New South Wales Public Libraries Consultative Committee, recommended an increase in public library funding to 30 million for the next financial year.

Instead, we got a cut. Libraries, I think it's almost a truism to say that libraries are incredibly important to the community. They're more than just a place where books are kept. They're an important space for the community and our people to go to. It's interesting in reading about libraries and their benefit to the community, I think it was the University of Pennsylvania that

Found that libraries benefit the health and mental health of the community, and they bring community members together. You know

From my perspective, this is primarily about providing children with the best opportunity to explore and develop a love of reading and learning, but it is also about building a better community. As I said, the Library, the University of Philadelphia found that libraries contribute to two particular strengths to advance the community: accessibility and trustworthiness. They've also been found to act as what's called a third place, which sociologist Ray Oldenburg coined the term where we exchange ideas, have a good time and build relationships. You know, urban planners are seeking to stabilise neighbourhoods, are focusing now on the critical role that third places can play in our sense of community.

Third places: the first place is your home, second place is work, and the third place is the third place, somewhere different to home and work. And not many people have those these days. We spend a lot of money on our parks and gardens with this council, and now more than ever in a world where we're bombarded with electronic communication to the point of overload, a lot of our community are more mentally and physically isolated from each other than ever before. And so I think we need to think of libraries as parks and gardens for the mind. And I seek fellow councillors' support for the motion. Thanks.

Thank you, Councillor Reynolds. Councillor Kotlash. Thank you, Madam Mayor. I'd just like to start by commending Councillor Reynolds for this notice of motion. I agree wholeheartedly with what he's just said. However, I'm a bit confused about these extra points that have been added, and I'm just going to try and figure out whether you can enlighten me. What's the difference between point 2, point 5 and point 6? They all seem to be endorsing. The point 2, Council, we're endorsing the New South Wales Public Libraries Association and Local Government Library Funding Advocacy Initiative, Renew Our Libraries. So is the, and then on point 5, the Council endorse the distribution of the New South Wales Public Libraries Association and Local Government New South Wales Library Funding Advocacy Initiative information into council libraries.

Okay, I get that, as well as involvement in any actions arising from the initiative

Could we just put maybe in the first point that we endorse this initiative and we will be distributing information through our public libraries, and I think we need to articulate what those actions might be. I'm not that happy with supporting something that I don't actually fully understand. And point 6, that Council formally advise. So can we just wrap, so we're saying a lot about this initiative, so can we just say that Council will endorse it, distribute the stuff and advise the bodies that we will do that, and also maybe be a bit careful with the actions arising from the initiative, like what sort of, I'm sure they'll be fine, but I just don't quite, have you got an example of such actions?

Or perhaps we could just request to be advised of any actions. That's the ticket.

Yep, good, thank you. But well done. Good notice of motion and you have my support. Thank you,

Councillor Kotlash.

Councillor

Conolly. Yeah

Thanks, Madam Mayor. Like Councillor Kotlash, I don't like being presented with something two minutes before making a decision on going ahead and endorsing a program that I've not had the opportunity to explore. I was actually going to ask that we could either—we probably don't need a briefing, but either have a briefing or at least defer it to give us all a chance to read what we're signing up to, because I understand it's come out yesterday. But if it's come out yesterday, it can probably wait a couple of weeks before we make a decision, I would imagine.

So I'm not sure if the mover of the motion would be— Councillor Reynolds.

Or alternatively I'll move it as an amendment.

Okay, Councillor Reynolds, do you wish to answer Councillor Conolly? Would you wish to change that, or would you rather he move it as an amendment?

Councillor Conolly can move it as an amendment.

Yes ,

So I'll move an amendment that this item is deferred for consideration at the next meeting. I also had another question, Madam Mayor. The motion says that libraries in New South Wales receive less state funding than in any other state or territory in Australia, and in brackets it says 8%. I just want 8% of what are we talking about?

Mr

Maxwell.

Thanks, Madam Mayor.

Sorry, just take that on notice. I'll come back to you in a minute. It

Was actually more a question for Councillor Reynolds, as the person who wrote the motion. I don't mind

Answering it

Councillor Reynolds. Thank you. According again from the email that we all received yesterday, it said council receives funds from the state government, and these have gradually declined in the 2015— Budget state funding for public libraries covered only 7.5 percent of the total cost of operating the 368 libraries across New South Wales, so the 8 percent would relate to that. Yeah

Fair enough. I wasn't sure if it was 8 percent of the cost or 8 percent of the budget, or I didn't know. That's fair enough. But yeah, so I don't know if I

So you need to do the wording of your amendment and have a seconder, please.

So I would be moving that we defer consideration of this item until the next meeting.

Okay. Seconder? Seconder Councillor Richards.

Yep.

Councillor Connolly. Yep

Okay. All right, just I'll leave it at that. Okay

Further discussion. Councillor Ross

A question, if I may, please. In supporting the amendment of my learned colleague, at that time, will it be— Sorry, at that time, will it be appropriate to seek amendment to any particular wording of the notice of motion, please?

Is that a question for Councillor Conolly?

No, it's a question for you. It's procedural

Oh, a procedural question.

Yes, ma'am, I'm sorry. So

You're asking if it's deferred until the next meeting, the same motion will come back

Yes. Sorry, ma'am. My meaning may not be clear. The same motion will come back?

Yes

At that time, will fellow councillors be able to suggest amendments to the wording of the then notice of motion put on the floor?

They would be able to. It would be preferable if that could be done in the time prior to the meeting, however, for Councillor Reynolds and for perhaps in a joint email for other councillors to see if anyone's proposing to amend it significantly. I would think that would be the most preferable option, and then we can take it from there. If Councillor Conolly's motion passes and it's deferred, then we all have time to do something like that that you're suggesting, rather than waiting till the next meeting and then changing it on the night. It would be preferable to change it beforehand. Or to advise Councillor Reynolds you wish to change it.

Or if you have a change for this existing motion, which is still the motion before us tonight, you could offer that now.

I was hoping to go back to the

Point three.

Sorry.

Sorry. Maybe point five would be more germane to what I'm trying to get to. I think apart from displaying any thoughts of Council in the actual library facilities, could I also suggest that it be included on some sort of flag or banner or something within the Council on the Council website, and possibly if there are other suitable locations, even the museum, at which such a notice could be displayed, if you like, for public notification. That that be considered as well, please.

So you want the advocacy initiative information to be displayed in multiple locations ? Locations yes please. Our public spaces

Yes please

Councillor Reynolds.

And, sorry. In the letter to our local member, that

Item three, line three, commencing with the word library, serviced in his local government area. Could we put a T in front of his and make it serviced in this local government area, please?

To make it

More specific. Yes, yes, inclusive. Councillor Reynolds, two suggestions from Councillor Ross.

In response to Councillor Ross's suggestions, can I make a suggestion? I'm basically, I'm speaking in support, I suppose, of Councillor Connolly's amendment, in that he's right. This email only turned up yesterday and I understand now that not all councillors have had a chance to read it and digest it. And can I suggest that we hold off on any changes to the motion as it stands now until we've had a chance to digest the information, look at the motion, and then work on it

Councillor Reynolds, would you wish to withdraw your motion and perhaps Councillor Connolly could add to his that councillors correspond about any proposed amendments to this existing one in the interim ? Yep, sure. Is that right with your seconder, Councillor Reynolds? I don't know who that was. That was you. Is that right, Councillor Garrow? Yep Thank you. And Councillor Connolly, your seconder, Councillor Richards. Okay, thank you. So—

Excuse me, sorry to interrupt again. Just to crave your time for a moment. Would it be germane also to suggest that at Council's next briefing session that possibly this could be an item of discussion so that we could have a collaborative notice of motion, please?

It could be, Councillor Ross. We can do that

Thank you. Further discussion? Councillor Calvert.

Oh, just a little point, point three, where we talk about alerting him to likely impacts, what is the process for making that list of likely impacts? Because we saw with another notice of motion just recently that councillors need to be very specific about what those impacts might be, rather than just saying likely impacts. So are we going to do that at the briefing session?

I would think we'll go over the content of the whole notice of motion to have people input their ideas and to firm it up.

And I think serviced should be services

In point

Three. Okay

Got some good things ready for it.

Further discussion?

No further discussion. So the amendments now become the motion. Do you need a right of reply? Thank you, Councillor Connelly. I'll put the motion, which is to defer it. All those in favour? Against? The motion is carried.

I might just mention that I noticed that Mr Ryan and Mr Brown are here now, and we have actually finished the item that Mr Ryan was listed to speak on, so apologies for that. So questions on...

Questions from last week. From three lots ago, from the 8th of May, Councillor Conolly.

Thanks, Madam Mayor. Not to labour on this one, but in regards to question one from the 8th of May, yeah

I've read that, but I'm still not sure about the answer. Oh , sorry, it's question two as well. I'm still not sure about the answer because in the previous business paper, the answer was given that the curtilage of the church would be a condition of consent, and I've asked how we have a condition of consent if there's no consent. Having read that answer, I'm still not 100% sure. So can I just clarify that, is that answer to me that there is no condition of consent?

Mrs Clarke. Through you, Madam Mayor, there is no consent, so there are no conditions, so I'm not sure what you're referring to, but there's definitely nothing around curtilage.

Thank you. Yeah, I was just referring to the previous answer that said there was a condition of consent, but thank you, Madam Mayor.

Thank you. Any further questions for 8th of May or 29th of May questions? We've got three lots. We've also got— Yes,

Thank you.

Councillor Ross.

Item three, page 97 of the business paper. Yes

The response for which I think the staff requires me to pursue the matter slightly further. I'd like to inquire, Mayor,

As is apparent from the response, that the Carlo Soccer is actually administered by a group other than the Sports Council. I'd like if Council would be good enough to identify them.

I would like to have an understanding from Council also if they are administered under a delegation, as is current with the Sports Council.

I would like to also ascertain the requirement for them to submit development applications either in respect of permanent fixtures in the way of lighting poles and lighting itself.

And the answer also appeared to restrict its purview to outside of the site, which I take to mean that. But could I not also draw the staff's attention to Australian Standards number 2560 and

Also Standard 4282. The first of those standards relating to sporting fields, and I gather that this is also a training ground and not a competitive ground, a competition field. And the second is in relation to the effects of lighting, if you like, diffusion, which would be covered by the response to the question. Thank you.

Thank you, Councillor Ross. Do you wish to address those now, Mr Organ? Thank you. Through

You, Madam Mayor, if I could just address the first question. So, as indicated in the response there, Colo Soccer is the responsible body for the Yarramundi Lane fields. That's the body. They're not owned by Council and they're not under any delegation. So they are a soccer club and they own those fields outright. So that's the short answer to that one. In terms of the last comment there on addressing the lighting levels, comment was made that we would not be going in and addressing the quality of that field lighting. That would be a matter for the respective clubs or the owners of that field to address. We'd be simply looking at any adverse impacts of light spill outside of that area, which would be different from the Bensons Lane complex and the Beaumont Avenue fields, which are operated and managed on behalf of Council by the Sports Council.

So we'd be looking at the field lighting as part of that exercise as well, but not as well as any light spill outside of that, but not the field lighting at Yarramundi Lane. In terms of the Australian standards, we'll certainly have a look at that and see whether they're applicable. And I think the other question was, would they be required to submit development applications? I would need to take that one on notice. I'm not sure whether that exemption for floodlighting would extend to a private organisation. It certainly extends to Council, where works are being done on behalf of Council. So the infrastructure SEPP would apply in those circumstances. But I'd need to take that on notice. So that would be a question for the following meeting.

Okay. Thank you, Mr Organ. Councillor Ross.

Excuse me, Mayor. The response from the director is speaking about impacts outside the site.

The Australian Standard 2560 indicates levels of light emissions within sporting fields, particularly football.

Surely it will fall within Council's compliance regime to ensure that the levels of light

Provided on those fields would be compliant with Australian standards as a normal part of its compliance requirements in a question such as mine.

Mr. Organ.

I think the answer to that would depend upon whether consent was required. I think we can address that in the further question. So we'll look at if there was consent required, and hence if the Australian Standard would then apply to something that didn't require or did require consent. So we can address that in that question.

Councillor Ross

Madam Mayor, I would understand that the Australian Standard would apply regardless , and that's the purpose of Australian Standards, that in this instance the standard is in regard to lighting of football fields within the field of play in 2560, and that it would override other considerations. Thank you.

Thank you. I'm sure that will be included in the report coming back. Thank you. Further questions on questions? Councillor Richards.

Thank you, Madam Mayor. Just question 6 on page 101 from the 29th of May meeting. I asked for an update on my notice of motion regarding school visits, and it answers with the item will be presented to an upcoming meeting. I'd just like to put on notice that I'd like to make sure that I am made aware of what that item looks like before the briefing so I can have input to make sure it's in line with my motion. Thank you. Thank you, Councillor

Richards. Any further questions on questions? Questions for next meeting, Councillor Richards. Councillor Conolly. Councillor Zamprogno.

Thank you, Madam Mayor. A few questions, and I'm very happy to furnish the wording of these questions to Council staff after the meeting by email. I'd like, if I could, to ask for a progress report on works to resurface the tennis courts in Wellesley Street, Pitt Town, which were included in the 2017-18 budgets, item 1879. There was a sum of $69,575 allocated to that, and I'm curious about when those works will occur. Similarly, point two, could I please have an update on roadwork repairs and upgrades to Bathurst Street, Hawkesbury Street and Johnston Street in Pitt Town under the Section 94 contributions? Again, there are a number of line items here: 166,305 for Johnston Street, half a million for Hawkesbury— sorry, Johnston Street.

I'll pass over the figures, but the point is roadwork repairs in Bathurst Street, Hawkesbury Street and Johnston Street in Pitt Town. Point three, could I please have an update on the DA for 43 Bootles Lane, Lot 61 DP 1206587 in Pitt Town? And lastly, could I please ask Council for an update relating to the list of action items that were compiled after our bus tour of Pitt Town? I remember an action item list of some 90 items were drawn up, some of which were low-hanging fruit, could be done quickly and cheaply, some of which were contingent on state government input, but— A report card on where we are up to with that larger list would be very useful. Thank you.

Councillor Kotlash. Thank you. Councillor Calvert. Councillor Wheeler. Thanks,

Madam Mayor. Could we put some line, or put new line markings at the bottom of King Road, Wilberforce, from about the Duke Road drain, or at the very least from Castle Ray Road down to Wilberforce Road? The line markings are becoming very, very faint, particularly in wet weather and in the dark, and people are driving all over the place. And again, the same on the corner of Baker Street and the terrace in Windsor. It would be nice if people stayed on their side of the road, and perhaps some line markings would help. Could we also check the drainage at Bounty Oval, Bligh Park, particularly the area adjacent to Selkirk Place , I think it's Place. It's quite badly eroded and uneven, and the water is now required to run uphill to get into the drain because the ground is lower than the concrete drainage.

And could someone clean up the laneway at the end of Bounty Oval along the flood evacuation route? There's quite a lot of household waste. A couple of, if anyone's on the hunt for a car seat, you can find all of that in the laneway Thank

You. Thank you, Councillor Wheeler. Councillor Reynolds. Councillor Garrow.

Yes, can I just make an inquiry into a parking offence that a few residents have received, offence number 83618, stop heavy long vehicle longer than one hour in built-up areas. Can we get the specifications on what that means, and can we also get some clarification on the classification of the railway road in North Mulgrave and whether it has any parking signage and/or any restrictions. Thank you. Thank you, Councillor Rasmussen.

Thank you, Madam Mayor. Madam Mayor, I'm just wondering if we could get some clarification as to the legality of parking the very large Coles trucks in the Clarendon car park. They are there on a very regular basis, minus the prime mover. Now, I'm not sure whether it's a breakdown, and if it is, then I guess that's fine, but it seems to be on a very, very regular basis.

I actually had a mayoral minute on that , you may recall, a few months ago, regarding that. Are we dealt with it? We're waiting on a report back about that. Okay,

Well, that's fine. Thank you. Yep, thanks. Thank you.

Councillor Ross.

Thank you, Mayor. I've had a complaint from the Carrajung area in relation to the

Burning off of rubbish at a property at, I think it's 8 Robertson Street in Carrajung. I'm just wondering if

We could be advised as to whether that burning off has been accompanied by the requisite application to Council through this period, and the number of those that have been submitted, if any, please, since the commencement of the, shall we say, open season for refuse removal. Thank you. And the second matter is in reference to Fairfield Avenue in Windsor. I've had a resident approach me regarding a complaint that has been lodged with Council in regard to the emissions of noise from apparently a neighbouring air conditioning piece of equipment, and the resident in question feels that the response from staff has been rather tardy, and I'm just wondering if we could get some information as to what might be in store for that one, please. Thank you.

Thank you, Councillor Ross.

Oh, and could I inquire of a third one? Yes. Staff advised me some little time ago that the pedestrian crossing marking at Collett Avenue, South Windsor, adjacent to Chisholm Primary School would be resurfaced with its granular material. I presume that that was delayed because of the school term being then current. Is it proposed that Council see those works done through the vacation period, please? Thank

You, Councillor Ross. I could just have an additional question to what Councillor Ross raised about the burning off. Could we perhaps have the rules and guidelines put on our Facebook page or webpage to remind people of the necessary notification, etcetera, and the size of land on which one can burn off? So people are aware of what sort of application and advice they may have to give neighbours or the Rural Fire Service, whatever. That would be really good. Thank you.

Pleasure. Someone move. We go into confidential. Moved Councillor Rasmussen, seconded Councillor Richards. All those in favour.

That one, Council agree to enter into a lease with Y Ket King for Shop 2, McGraths Hill Shopping Centre as outlined in the report. Two, authority be given for the lease and any other relevant documentation in association with this matter to be executed under the seal of Council. Three, details of Council's resolution be conveyed to the proposed lessee together with the advice that Council is not and will not be bound by the terms of its resolution until such time as appropriate legal documentation put such resolution into effect has been agreed to and executed by all parties.

Thank you, Mr Mifsud. Meeting closed at 7.35.