This is the Hawkesbury Local Planning Panel meeting today, on Thursday the 16th of July, taking place on screen and people at the council as well. This panel has been appointed by the Minister for Planning and Public Spaces and the Council to determine certain categories of development applications. My name is Mary-Lynne Taylor, and I am the Chairperson for today's panel. The other panellists with me today are Mr Gary Chapman, who's an expert representative, Mr Philip North, expert representative, and Ms Laura Scriven, who is the community member.
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Meeting dialogue chapter 1
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I would like to begin by acknowledging the traditional custodians of the land of the Dharug people, their elders past and present. As a courtesy to others, please keep your microphones on mute at all times unless I call on you to speak. This meeting is being audio-visually recorded. Any part of this meeting that is held in a closed session will not be recorded. In the terms of the Privacy and Personal Information Protection Act, this may involve the recording of personal information provided at the time of the meeting. The recordings are made to assist staff in compiling the minutes of the meeting and to enable the podcasting and live stream of local planning panel meetings. Under the panel's code of conduct, panel members are required to disclose any pecuniary and/or non-pecuniary interests in relation to matters on today's agenda, and each panellist has completed disclosure forms.
I declare that I have no conflict of interests. I will now ask each of the panel members whether they have any conflicts of interest to declare. Gary Chapman?
No conflicts, Chair.
Philip North.
No conflicts.
And Laura. No conflicts. Thank you very much.
The panel will deal with the items in agenda order. The determinations of the panel will be confirmed in the official minutes, which will be available on the Council's website. On the agenda today is 2.1.1, DA 0139/26, about 1 Livingstone Street, Windsor, and 2.1.2, DA 0186/26, 276 Spinks Road, Glossodia. We have registered speakers for item 2.1.1, and I believe they are already with us: Benjamin Chan, Christine Guan, Adrian Mello, and Luke Meredith for item 2.1. For item 2.1.2, Craig Olson, Director, CEO Design and Consult, is expected to attend. We also have council people as well. Those are all of the matters that I need to say until we move on to the next item.
Gary Chapman, your expertise, would you just tell us please?
Chair, I'm a consulting town planner.
Thank you. Mr Philip North, your expertise?
I'm a consultant town planner and heritage architect and conventional architect.
Thank you. And Laura, you've been chosen to be on this committee as a local member today.
Correct, yes
I'm locally
And I reside in East Kurrajong.
Thank you very much. We'll now move to the discussion of the first item, which is 2.1.1,
Which is 1 Livingston Street, Windsor, and we have Benjamin Chan to speak from Sam Crawford Architects. Are you there, Mr. Chan?
Good morning all. Whether the council's architect, Sam Crawford Architects, I'll actually pass it on to Adrian Mello, who's our consultant planner, just to introduce the project for us. Thank you.
Thank you. Welcome, Mr. Mello.
Panel, sorry, struggling to find the mute button. So the consultant planner part of the project team who prepared the application and just wants to speak in favour of the council recommendation, noting that we support the recommendation and have reviewed the conditions. I don't necessarily feel the need to go into a large overview. The panel's gone to site, has reviewed the documentation, is familiar with it, but we're here available to answer any questions the panel may have.
Thank you very much. So, Luke Meredith is the— sorry, Christine Guan from Sam Crawford Architects, are you to speak to us today?
I don't have anything to add.
There to assist the panel if necessary.
Yeah, I will.
Thank you very much. And so that's all those people who are going to speak from Sam Crawford Architects, is that correct?
That's right. We're primarily here to answer any questions that the panel may have.
Thank you very much. Luke Meredith, flood engineer, are you present?
Yep, here. And
Do you wish to speak to us or just to answer questions?
Just to answer questions.
Thank you very much. So those are all the people who are here to speak to us formally today. So then I ask the panel members. We have Benjamin Chan from Sand Croft Architects, Christine Guan from Sand Croft Architects, and Adrian Lello, who is an external planner, and Luke Meredith, flood engineer. So starting with questions for those particular people, I'll ask first of all, Gary Chapman, do you have any particular questions to ask of those teams of experts with us today? Chair
I've just got a question for Adrian. Adrian, you've seen the conditions. Condition 80, and we've had a discussion about this. Condition 80 is about live entertainment not permitted.
Do you know, is that an issue for you or for the operation of the facility from your putting this together?
Thanks for the question. Look, it's something that we'll probably come back and revisit post-consent. At this point in time, we're not proposing to have any sort of live venues or live music or anything like that. But obviously noting the nature of the structure and that it's intended ongoing use as effectively as a community hub for events and things, and noting that there are some festivals that do occur along the river, that's something that at this point in time we're not seeking consent for or proposing. But noting that, you know, after the operation of the facility and it's up and running, perhaps that's something that we will come back and revisit.
Okay. Yeah, thank you. No further questions from me.
Thank you. Philip North, do we have questions to be asked?
I don't have any further questions.
Right. Laura, are you able to ask any questions of these people before us today?
No, I don't have any questions for them.
Thank you very much.
In particular, I'm just reminding you that one was the flood engineer. Do any of you have questions of concern about management of flood on this property?
I'd like you to hear that you have concern or you have not.
Look, the only question now, if, Chair, is I was just interested when I was going through this about the emergency evacuation, and I've read your report and I can see where that occurs and that there's warnings in place and all those procedures that you have. But I wondered whether there's the option, and you can tell me whether I'm right or wrong here, of if, you know, whether there's stay in place at the upper level, and because there are toilet facilities, there's kitchen facilities, so is that an option? I didn't see it in the report, but I could be wrong.
It's not something I would recommend for this site. It's largely riverine flooding, so there should be a good lead time in terms of warnings, etc., from SES. The issue with flooding is that, you know, you could prescribe a certain event and expect the water to get to a certain level, but it's based on modelling and historical records. There's no guarantee that. It will, it may be higher or lower than that. So if you were to say go to the upper storeys, you may not necessarily be safe there. So really the only recommendation is that, yeah, to follow local warnings and make sure that the site is evacuated in advance.
And get out of there. Yeah
Pretty much. Yeah, the worst case flood is that this building is, it's underwater, so.
And including the upper level
Yeah, in the probable maximum flood, which is the, you know, like the end of days flood type thing.
Yeah, that's what I understood. I think the probable maximum flood rises a little bit above the upper floor level. Is that correct? Yeah
Yeah. All right. No, thank you. I understand that better now. Thanks.
That's just to get out
So none of the panel have any further questions of our experts.
Is that correct , panel members? Yeah, correct. Correct. Very much. In result then, I think that we don't need to continue the public meeting, and the panel now go to close the meeting and to make our decision. Thank you.
Thank you all. Thank you. Thank you.
